Brother Vijay's Statements below in black text:
Just one of Many
examples in the TORAH which teach and reveal that Yeshua the Messiah is YHWH
ELohim in the Flesh:
Please listen and understand. Yeshua יֵשׁוּע does Not have to say:
"I am ELohim אֱלֹהִים"
in order to teach and reveal
that He IS ELohim אֱלֹהִים
in the Flesh.
WOW.
What an attitude. Now human beings are going to decide how
Elohim Yahweh OR his Son Yahshua is going to communicate via his holy word.
Since
everyone knows for a fact, that there is absolutely no direct
statement by Yahshua that he is Yahweh, SO YOU ARE FIRST ONLY GOING ON THE
DEFENSIVE. Wah re Wah.
You
humans are DECIDING WHAT YESHUA HAS TO SAY AND DOES NOT HAVE TO SAY.
Why
not RE WRITE the whole Bible only, the way you wanted Yeshua to say WHAT YOU
WANT TO SAY.
But the fact is, He really did say that anyway! ( read John
8 and John 10 )
What
Confusion. First you admit that Yeshua did not directly say
that he is Yahweh. Now, here in the second portion of this written document, it
dawns upon you suddenly, OH HE DID SAY SO.
[ Two Times they took up STONES to STONE Him for supposedly
doing
BLASPHEMY and claiming that He IS ELohim אֱלֹהִים. ]
But He teaches, reveals and proves that He IS ELohim אֱלֹהִים in the Flesh,
by WHAT He says and WHAT He does!
ANSWER TO YOUR JOHN CHAPTER:
https://goonpreaching.blogspot.com/2017/12/i-am-or-i-am-who-i-am.html
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You shall WALK AFTER YHWH יְהוָה your ELohim אֱלֹהִים and FEAR Him, and KEEP His Commandments and OBEY His Voice; you shall Serve Him and Cleave to Him. (Deut 13:4)
אַחֲרֵי יְהוָה
אֱלֹהֵיכֶם
תֵּלֵכוּ
וְאֹתוֹ
תִירָאוּ
וְאֶת
מִצְוֹתָיו
תִּשְׁמֹרוּ וּבְקֹלוֹ
תִשְׁמָעוּ
וְאֹתוֹ תַעֲבֹדוּ
וּבוֹ
תִדְבָּקוּן
Now let’s compare with what Yeshua יֵשׁוּעַ said:
My SHEEP HEAR
( from Shema שְׁמַע ; Deut 6:4-9 )
My Voice ( Alef Tav koh-lee קוֹלִי
אֶת ),
and I Know ( yoh-day-ah יֹדֵעַ ) them,
and they WALK AFTER Me. [ YHWH יְהוָה your ELohim אֱלֹהִים ] (John 10:27)
[8:55 am, 24/10/2022]
Vijay G. Vishakapatnam Peda mama: YESHUA the MESSIAH ... IS ... YHWH ELohim in the FLESH
Brother
Vijay. In
the above text, you are openly and directly claiming that YHWH Elohim is Yeshua
in the Flesh.
OH MY GOODNESS. I have just 2 Scriptures that
totally expose your FOLLY AND FAULTY UNDERSTANDING.
Numbers 23:19 “El is not a man,”
Hosea 11:09 “I will not execute the fierceness of mine anger, I will not return to destroy Ephraim: for I am El, and not man; the Holy One in the midst of thee: and I will not enter into the city.”
The FULLNESS of ELohim Dwelt IN Him
-- that is precisely why
He is ELohim in the FLesh.
First Verse
For it pleased the Father that in
Him all the fullness should dwell, (Col
1:19)
Second Verse
For in Him dwells all the fullness
of Elohim bodily; (Col 2:9)
*bodily - in His Flesh Body
DENZIL’S SCRIPTURAL ANSWER IS IN BLUE AND BLACK TEXT BELOW:
Colossians.
2:9 - "For in him [Yahshua (Jesus)] the whole fulness
[Gr. pleroma] of deity [theotes] dwells[1] bodily" - RSV.
“For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Majesty in
person bodily.” – RSB BIBLE (04th Edition)
The word theotes appears only this once in
the entire New Testament [NT] (and never in the ancient Greek translation of
the Old Testament [OT]). It has been rendered in various trinitarian
translations as follows: "Almighty
Yahweh (God)head" - KJV,
ASV, NEB, REB, MLB; "deity"
- RSV, NASB, NRSV, NIV, NAB, CBW, Mo, By; "divinity" - JB, NJB. It should be
remembered also that "Almighty Yahweh (God)head" as found in the
older English Bibles (such as KJV)
had a different meaning than it has come to have in modern English.
"In older English ['Almighty Yahweh (God)head'] was a synonym for divinity"[2]
- p. 221, Vol. 2, A
Dictionary of the Bible, Hastings, 1988 printing; and p. 362,
An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon,
Liddell and Scott, Oxford University Press, 1994 printing.
Theotes
simply does not literally mean "Almighty Yahweh (God)head," and the
use of "Almighty Yahweh (God)head" by the KJV translators was not intended as some would
understand it today.[3] Actually, the heavenly Father, alone, is the closest thing to
a literal "Almighty Yahweh (God)head" to be found anywhere in the
inspired Scriptures - see 1 Cor. 11:3.
Col. 2:9 is also rendered by noted Trinitarian
scholars with these translations of theotes:
"The full content of divine nature" - TEV and GNB
(also see Barclay); "Almighty Yahweh (God)'s whole being" - Beck (NT);
"Almighty Yahweh (God)'s nature" - AT;
"Yet it is in [Christ] that Almighty Yahweh (God) gives a full and
complete expression of himself (within
the physical limits that he set himself in Christ)." - Phillips; "In
him resides all the fulfillment
of the divine" - Lattimore.
The Trinitarian
argument that Col. 2:9 proves that Yahshua (Jesus) is Almighty Yahweh (God)
overlooks the common understanding of "fulness of
..." and "filled
with ..." by those who
used those common phrases in New Testament times. For example, the person
who became "filled with Holy Spirit" (Eph. 5:18) was greatly influenced by that spirit, but
he certainly did not become the
Holy Spirit.
And having
"the fulness" of someone or something could similarly mean being
greatly influenced by
that person or thing. The New
International Dictionary of New Testament Theology says:
"Just as a person can be full of pain,
joy, love, and virtue, he can also be said to be filled with Almighty Yahweh
(God) ..., i.e. possessed and inspired
by Almighty Yahweh (God)." - Vol. 1, p. 734.[4]
Surely we wouldn't expect anyone who is "filled
with" Almighty Yahweh (God) or who receives the "fullness of" Almighty
Yahweh (God) to actually be
Almighty Yahweh (God)! Nor would we expect anyone who has the "fullness
of" Christ to actually be
Christ! In fact it clearly shows that he is NOT the person with whom he
is "filled"!
So, when we read Eph. 1:22, 23 - "the church, which is his body,
the fullness
of him who fills all in all" - we do not think that all real Christians
are actually Christ. The New
Oxford Annotated Bible (1977) tells us in a footnote for this
scripture:
"the Church, as the fullness of Christ, is the complement of his mystic [figurative] person; he is
the head, the Church is his body."
The noted Trinitarian NT Greek scholar, W. E. Vine, explains:
"Fill, Fill Up": "... (a) of the members of the Church, the Body of Christ, as
filled by Him", Eph. 1:23 (`all things in all the members'); ... in 3:19, of their being filled ... `with' all
the fulness of Almighty Yahweh (God); of their being
'made full' in Him, Col. 2:10." - p. 426, An Expository Dictionary of New Testament Words.
Yes, at Eph.
3:19 we actually see Paul expressing the thought "that you [Ephesian Christians] may be filled with all the fullness of Almighty Yahweh (God)"
- RSV. And at Eph. 4:13 we find
- "until we all attain
... to the measure of the stature of the fullness
of Christ" - RSV
.
Even the Trinitarian reference work, the New International Dictionary of New Testament
Theology, commenting about the word "fullness" at Col.
2:9 ("In his [Yahshua (Jesus)'] body lives the fullness of divinity"
- JB), tells us:
"this fullness which is described in Col. 1:15-18 is entirely related to
Christ's cross (v. 20), death (v. 22), and resurrection (v. 18). For this reason believers also have this
fullness in him (2:10)." - Vol. 1, p. 740, Zondervan,
1986. - See AT, CBW, NAB
(especially 1991 ed.).
"Outside the NT the word occurs in Ignatius in a sense which is
clearly influenced by the NT, and apparently in the meaning of the Divine fullness,
as going forth and blessing and residing ["dwelling"] in the Church [the congregation]"
- p. 1, Vol. 4, A Dictionary of the Bible,
James Hastings, ed., Hendrickson Publ., 1988.
For exactly the same reasons that we don't allow such
figurative language to persuade us that all true Christians actually are (or
may become) Almighty Yahweh (God) or Christ, we should not let it persuade us
that Christ is actually Almighty Yahweh (God)!
The Bible
tells us how essential to eternal life it is to know Almighty Yahweh (God) and Yahshua
(Jesus) (John 17:3 and 2 Thess. 1:8, 9). Therefore, if one
"knows" Yahshua (Jesus) as Almighty Yahweh (God) and
"knows" Almighty Yahweh (God) as three (or two) persons and such
"knowledge" turns out to be false, then he is certainly not on the
road to eternal life!
And as we saw above, if Christians can be "filled
with" Almighty Yahweh (God) and receive the "fullness
of" Almighty Yahweh (God), we know
by this very wording that they are not Almighty Yahweh (God)!
And we know that those Christians who had the "fullness of"
Christ could not actually be
Christ! The very wording itself shows that someone
else is "filling" (or influencing)
the person who is being "filled" (influenced). In fact it clearly shows that he
CANNOT be
the person (or thing) with whom he is "filled"!
Therefore, those Christians who are "filled
with" or have the "fullness" of Almighty Yahweh (God) are not Almighty Yahweh (God)!
Those Christians who are "filled with" or have the "fullness"
of Christ are not
Christ! Those men and women who are "filled with" or have
the "fullness" of the Holy Spirit are not the Holy
Spirit!! And even if we interpret Col. 2:9 as meaning that Christ
has the fullness of "Almighty Yahweh (God) hood" in him, it still cannot mean Christ is Almighty Yahweh
(God)!!
1.
What about things and persons
"dwelling" in us? Does this mean we are those things or
persons? Of course not! Compare "dwell" at Romans. 7:20
(sin `dwells' in people); 8:9, 11 (holy spirit `dwells' in us); 1 Corinthians.
3:16 (holy spirit "dwelling" in Christians); Ephesians. 3:17
(Christ "dwells" in our hearts); 2 Tim. 1:5 (faith
"dwelt" in her); 2 Peter. 3:13 (righteousness
"dwells"). Actually, the word "dwell" shows we cannot
be those things or persons who "dwell" in us!
It is similar to the term "image of ...." If someone is the image of something or someone else, then he cannot be that person or thing. For example, men being the image of Almighty Yahweh (God) (Genesis. 1:26; 1 Corinthians. 11:7; 2 Corinthians. 3:18) proves, in itself, that none of them actually is Almighty Yahweh (God)! No one and no thing actually are their own images! Therefore, when scripture tells us that the resurrected, heaven-dwelling Yahshua (Jesus) Christ is "the image of Almighty Yahweh (God)," it is certain that he is not Almighty Yahweh (God)! - 2 Cor. 4:4; Col. 1:15. [Also "reflection" or "refulgence" in Heb. 1:3, RSV, NRSV, NJB, AT, MLB, GNB, CBW, NAB (`70), NAB (`91).]
2.
"Divinity" is a word with various meanings and levels of meanings:
"divinity ... 1. a being
divine 2. a Almighty
Yahweh (God) 3. theology - the Divinity: Almighty Yahweh
(God)." - Webster's New World
Dictionary, 1973.
3 "Godhead" has various meanings
in modern English besides that of "the nature of God esp. when regarded as
triune". In Webster's
3rd New International Dictionary (Unabridged) the #1
definition is "1: the quality or state of being divine" - 1962
ed. And the derivation of the word "godhead" shows that it
originally meant "godhood" not "godhead":
"fr[om] god + -hed, -hede - hood (akin to ME -hod, -had - hood)" - Webster's 3rd New Int.
4.
Even in modern English idiom we say things like: "He is full of the Devil."
But we don't intend to say he literally is the Devil or even equal to the Devil in the
fullest sense. We merely mean that he may, in some respects, show certain
"devil-like" or "devil-influenced" qualities! (Cf. Jn
6:70 and Mark 8:33 footnotes in NIVSB.)
Col. 2:9 - "For in him
[Jesus] the whole fulness [Gr. pleroma] of deity [theotes] dwells bodily"
- RSV
The word theotes appears only this once in the entire New Testament [NT] (and
never in the ancient Greek translation of the Old Testament [OT]). It has been
rendered in various Trinitarian translations as follows: "Godhead" -
KJV, ASV, NEB, REB, MLB; "deity" - RSV, NASB, NRSV, NIV, NAB, CBW,
Mo, By; "divinity" - JB, NJB.
It should be remembered also that "Godhead" as found in the older
English Bibles (such as KJV) HAD A DIFFERENT MEANING THAN IT HAS COME TO HAVE
IN MODERN ENGLISH. "In older English ['Godhead'] was a synonym for
divinity" - p. 221, Vol. 2, A Dictionary of the Bible, Hastings,
1988 printing; and p. 362, An Intermediate Greek-English Lexicon,
Liddell and Scott, Oxford University Press, 1994 printing.
Theotes simply does not literally mean "godhead," and the use of
"godhead" by the KJV translators was not intended as some would
understand it today.
Actually, the heavenly Father, alone, is the closest thing to a literal "Godhead" to be found anywhere in the inspired Scriptures. (See 1 Cor. 11:3)
The Trinitarian argument that Col. 2:9 proves that Jesus is God overlooks the
common understanding of "fulness of ..." and "filled with
..." by those who used those common phrases in New Testament times. For
example, the person who became "filled with Holy Spirit" (Eph. 5:18)
was greatly influenced by that spirit, but he certainly did not become the Holy
Spirit.
And having "the fullness" of someone or something could similarly
mean being greatly influenced by that person or thing. The New International
Dictionary of New Testament Theology says:
"Just as a person can be full of pain, joy, love, and virtue, he can also
be said to be filled with God ..., i.e. possessed and inspired by God." - Vol.
1, p. 734.[4]
Surely we wouldn't expect anyone who is "filled with" God or who
receives the "fullness of" God to actually be God! Nor would we
expect anyone who has the "fullness of" Christ to actually be Christ!
In fact it clearly shows that he is NOT the person with whom he is
"filled".
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BROTHER VIJAY STATEMENT IN BLACK TEXT BELOW:
The BODY of FLESH was from Miriam. INSIDE that BODY was YHWH
Elohim our Creator. That just blows me away ... that our Creator would die on
the Tree for me / us.
Brother Vijay. What are you
saying? What are you talking? What statement have you made above? I have to
plainly ask you. Are you gone crazy in thinking and telling me that THE
ALMIGHTY CREATOR DIED FOR YOU ON THE TREE.
How can the Almighty Creator DIE?
The Almighty El Shaddai Yahweh is
ETERNAL AND EVERLASTING. The Creator of the Torah cannot ever DIE. Saying this
is even something WORSE THAN BLASPHEMY.
“I
give thee charge in the sight of Elohim,
who quickeneth all things, and before Messiah Yahshua, who before
Pontius Pilate witnessed a good confession;” – 1
Timothy 6:13
“Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can
approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power
everlasting. Amen.” – 1 Timothy 6:16
Below Useful and Grateful inputs provided by Brother Savio Pereira:
THESE ARE SOME OF THE MANY
SCRIPTURES.
Isaiah
42:8, 43:11-13, 44:6-8, 44:24, 45:5,
12-14, 18, 21&22, 46:5-10, Jeremiah
27:5, Deuteronomy 32:39, Job 9:8, Psalms
18:31, 102:25, Proverbs 3:19 , 1 John 1:1-2
POINT TO NOTE:
In all of
these scriptures Yahweh never used the word “WE ". He always used the singular lettered word “I “(singular
.1st personal pronoun).
John 20 :17, Ephesians 1:17 , Hebrews 1:8 and Revelation 1:6 and 3:6 clearly state that Messiah has a God (Elohim) above him. Colosians 1:3 states clearly who is the Father . 1 Timothy 1:17 like in so many other places says HIM and NOT THEM . 1 Timothy 6:16 pairs up with Isaiah 44:24 which says "HE ALONE". Another one is Mark 12:32.
Very humbly ... takes away my breath and more ...
